Dinosaurs Living With Humans

Dr. Dennis Swift has spoken much and written much about the concept that people, in earlier centuries, have lived with dinosaurs. The following is just a brief summary of what he has revealed about evidences that ancient people have lived with extant dinosaurs.

Acambaro Figurines

Waldemar Julsrud, a German living in Acambaro, Mexico, discovered some unusual objects while riding his horse around El Toro Mountain, in July of 1944, including a partially buried ceramic figurine. This led, in time, to the discovery of many more ceramic works of art, some of which depict dinosaurs.

According to Dr. Dennis Swift, who in recent decades has specialized in these discoveries of ancient artifacts, thousands of these works of art were excavated, turning Julsrud’s mansion into “the museum that seared scientists.” It was not just the figurines of dinosaurs; various races of people were displayed on the clay: Eskimos, Asians, Africans, Caucasians, Mongols, and Polynesians. Over 37,000 works of art were uncovered in this part of Mexico alone, beginning in 1944.

Lack of any significant modern fraud

Contrary to what some skeptics proclaim, the vast majority of figurines from Acambaro are truly of ancient date, with much testing that has confirmed their antiquity. Those few recent imitations show far different characteristics in a variety of ways, making those exceptions irrelevant.

If persons in the mid-twentieth century were responsible for all of the dinosaur artwork that looks ancient, why do those depictions show dinosaur features that were not known to modern paleontologists until the late twentieth century? Why do these apparently ancient artistic depictions of dinosaurs show us the way their tails were held up according to recent discoveries? It’s because those works of art are indeed ancient and created by human artists who lived at a time when dinosaurs were known to them, centuries ago.

(In 1968, when Dennis Swift was still in high school, he heard about the Acambaro discoveries. That was about the time when a few forgeries were made in imitation of the originals, when Dennis and I were teenagers, so even those few forgeries are now ancient—humor intended.)

Pterosaur Figurine in Acambaro, Mexico

Here is a photo of one of the ancient figurines from Acambaro:

ancient artifact depicting a pterosaur

Crude depiction of a long-tailed pterosaur (ancient ceramic art)

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Wikipedia Errors

If you search on Wikipedia (at least until early January 20, 2015) with “Acambaro figurines” the system will automatically redirect you to the page “Acambaro figures.”

Early on January 20, 2015, I looked at the Wikipedia page for “Acámbaro figures” and found 24 uses of the word figure. The proper word for these works of art is figurines. Only eight times is the proper word used on that Wikipedia page. Above the “see also” and references sections of the page, almost every paragraph has this inappropriate word usage: figure. (The reference section itself does not have that word.)

That kind of error is not in itself evidence that the person (or persons) who wrote that Wikipedia page is mistaken about the credibility of these many thousands of ceramic works of art. But if the writer was careful about facts in the historical points, why does it say there “are several thousand” of those figurines when one of the leading experts in the world, Dr. Dennis Swift, says over 37,000 were discovered?

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Dinosaurs of Acambaro Figurines

Julsrud at age sixty-nine was on the brink of making a discovery that may prove to be the greatest archaeological discovery ever made. Waldemar hired a Mexican farmer, Odilon Tinajero, to dig in the area where the ceramic figurines were found and bring him any other similar objects. Soon Tinajero had a wheelbarrow full of ceramic pottery that had been excavated on El Toro Mountain.

Nonfiction True-Life-Adventure Book

The 360 pages contain little about religion but much about eyewitnesses who encounter astonishing flying animals that look like nothing other than pterodactyls.

Lecture by Dr. Dennis Swift

Youtube video that includes a lecture by Dennis Swift—this includes much about the advanced technology of some ancient people, including civilizations in the Western hemisphere many centuries ago.

Nonfiction book on Acambaro figurines

“Hapgood researched the Acambaro collection . . . with Erle Stanley Gardner . . . in the mid-1960s. . . . hundreds of clay figurines that are apparently thousands of years old; however, they depict such bizarre animals [dinosaurs] and scenes that most archaeologists dismiss them as an elaborate hoax.” . . . [but] the evidences for authenticity were not considered [because of bias against the possibility of modern pterosaurs living alongside humans].

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The Ropen of North America and Missing Persons

Do you see a critical point in the photo below? (by Alahn, Dreamstime stock photos)

rocks at a coastline

Notice anything important here?

Scroll down to the bottom of this post to see what’s most important in the above photo.

The Right to Know the Truth

For generations, Americans have known the phrase “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” It’s in the Declaration of Independence. Yet how important is knowledge in preserving human life! When it comes to keeping themselves alive, people have the right to know the truth.

If people are in danger in national parks and other wilderness areas of North America, they have the right to be informed about the potential risks and what may be involved.

Connection Between People and Ropens

Strange cases of missing persons in Western North America—many of those are documented in the nonfiction paperback Missing 411 Western United States and Canada, by David Paulides. A few details from a few of those cases deserve attention here.

Please keep in mind that Mr. Paulides does not suggest ropens are responsible for the strangest cases, even if he had, at some time, become aware of that possibility. The ropen connection is my own idea.

Some of these cases strongly suggest a small number of ropens in North America may be responsible for a small portion of reports of people going missing. Similarities in certain details stretch across decades, and across many hundreds of miles:

  • missing items of clothing or shoes
  • inability of tracking dogs to track
  • person or body found too far away and too high in elevation

Nito Mayo and Patricia Tolhurst

These two ladies disappeared at the Donnell’s Vista Lookout on Highway 108, in California.

  • August of 2005: Nita Mary Mayo
  • April of 2014: Patricia Sue Tolhurst

This vista point near the highway is a large open area. If there was a large flying predator here, a flying creature large enough to be dangerous to humans, this is where we should be alert to what’s overhead.

With Mayo and Tolhurst, abductions by human criminals is possible but appears unlikely for the open area where the two ladies went missing. Neither one has been found.

Three-Year-Old Patty Mclean

The family was having a Fourth of July picnic, about fifteen miles northeast of Butte, Montana, in 1953, when little Patty went missing. Within a few hours, hundreds of persons joined in the search for the three-year-old.

The next day, about twenty-two hours after the search began, three searchers found little Patty an astonishing eight miles away and halfway up a cliff. At the hospital, she said that she had slept under a log, apparently during that night she was still missing. No mention is made in Mr. Paulides’s book about any problem the child had when she was discovered except that one shoe was missing. To me, that is a clue.

Missing Shoes and Clothing

In these strangest of missing-persons cases, a missing shoe or item of clothing is not at all unusual. How does that relate to the possibility that a ropen has carried away a person? Sometimes the victim is lucky enough to fall out of a shoe or out of a jacket or pants, when the creature is carrying the person just a little above ground level. If the person falls to the ground safely, there’s a chance for survival, because the flying creature might not find him/her, when it flies back to where its burden became too light.

Two-Year-Old Mike McDonald

Like Patty Mclean, little Mike was found the day after going missing, but he disappeared eight years earlier and hundreds of miles to the south. In a small cave the two-year-old was sleeping, when his father and another man found him, fifteen miles from where the child went missing.

How did baby Mike find that cave fifteen miles from his home? He did not find it, of course, but he seems to have been placed in that cave, and that case in Arizona is not unique: finding a missing child in a cave that is practically inaccessible to the child.

In the case of Mike McDonald, the wonderful fortune of finding the two-year-old alive appears to relate to the family dog. That dog was positioned near the small entrance to that cave, as if it were guarding the boy. It seems the dog chased the flying creature all the way to that cave, where the predator was forced to abandon its intended victim. A family dog does not take kindly to an animal that tries to eat that dog’s human. Thank goodness for family dogs.

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Garrett Bardsley Missing

If only one child can be saved from being a victim, it will be worth all the efforts we can muster. . . . [Some of the] missing persons have items of clothing and shoes that are found away from where the living person or body was found, and some of those cases have more circumstantial evidence that a large ropen may have been responsible . . .

Pterodactyl Attacks in British Columbia?

Set aside any independent reports that I, Jonathan Whitcomb, may have personally received from eyewitnesses; we have two authors whose books either imply or describe apparent modern pterosaurs (AKA “pterodactyls”) in British Columbia, and those two nonfiction books include reports relating to possible attacks on humans.

Dragons in Los Angeles

The woman said that she saw three dragons, at first thinking they were some kind of stunt. She soon noticed tail movement, which may have been the tipoff that they were alive. She was given a survey form by Whitcomb, and she chose the silhouette of the Sordes Pilosus, which is a basal pterosaur, but she said that the heads were bigger of the three creatures she had seen gliding over the I-5 [freeway in Los Angeles, California].

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lone person at a rocky beach

Each person is important and deserves to know the truth

Watch out for what might fly overhead in an open area. (by Alahn, Dreamstime stock photos)

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True-Life Adventure and Cryptozoology – Nonfiction

The post below is a revision, substituting the fourth edition of late-2014 nonfiction book for the third edition that was published earlier that year.

If you would be offended at a nonfiction book about conservative Christians who search for modern pterosaurs and proclaim that the General Theory of Evolution is patently false, then “this book is not for you.” Likewise, avoid Searching for Ropens and Finding God if you would be offended that a Mormon author had written a book that was called “the Bible of modern pterosaurs.” For most American readers of true-life adventure, those issues are non-issues. The 360 pages contain little about religion but much about eyewitnesses who encounter astonishing flying animals that look like nothing other than pterodactyls.

"Searching for Ropens and Finding God" - 4th edition

Searching for Ropens and Finding God, fourth edition

The first part of the book is about expeditions in Papua New Guinea, where Americans have searched for living pterosaurs. Most of the book is much more about cryptozoology than about religion.

Sighting by Eskin Kuhn in Cuba in 1971

“I saw two pterosaurs (or pterodactyls, what’s in a name?) flying together at low altitude, perhaps 100 feet, very close in range from where I was standing, so that I had a perfectly clear view of them. The rhythm of their large wings was very graceful, slow and yet they were flying and not merely gliding like turkey vultures do here in Ohio . . .”

Clarification From Eyewitness Eskin Kuhn

There is no mistaking what I saw, it was middle of the day during our free time, a work day, no booze, no drugs, bright sun and full visibility with vision I wish I still had, eyes that qualified me as Expert Rifleman and the Pistol shot in the Marine Corps.

Dragons in Los Angeles & Birds in the Imagination

We’ve got a strange explanation for what’s been flying around Los Angeles County recently. The cryptozoologist Dale Drinnin has proposed that a woodpecker has made people think they are seeing dragons or pterosaurs. The flying creatures observed, however, are larger and three out of the four of them had long, thin tails that had things at the end, suggesting pterosaur tail flanges.

The two sightings near Griffith Park are strange in themselves, for it looks like they are from the same kind of flying creatures, even though descriptions vary. They may also relate to other sightings in Southern California, including the Lakewood sighting of 2012.

Griffith Park Pterosaur Sightings

Let’s see what the two encounters had in common.

  • Both involved a female driver traveling northbound on the I-5.
  • Both eyewitnesses were alone in their cars but in traffic with many other drivers.
  • Both involved one or more flying creatures gliding over the freeway.
  • Both were on a 1.5 mile stretch of freeway a little east of Griffith Park.
  • Both were very close to the Los Angeles River
  • Both eyewitnesses soon reported to cryptozooologist Jonathan Whitcomb.

The first sighting was a little after six in the morning, on March 3, 2013, near the Colorado Street bridge at the I-5. This is southeast of the Los Angeles Zoo, but that may not be relevant. The woman said that she saw three dragons, at first thinking they were some kind of stunt. She soon noticed tail movement, which may have been the tipoff that they were alive. She was given a survey form by Whitcomb, and she chose the silhouette of the Sordes Pilosus, which is a basal pterosaur, but she said that the heads were bigger of the three creatures she had seen gliding over the I-5.

The second sighting was at about four in the afternoon, on May 13, 2013, near the Los Feliz exit, about half a mile north of a reservoir. This was about a mile and a half south of where the first sighting took place. The woman saw one pterosaur and noticed the head crest and lack of feathers. She was given the same form as the first eyewitness. She chose six pterosaurs that could have been what she had seen. One of those six was the Sordes Pilosus. There is an important difference between the two sightings. In the second one, the woman was concentrating on the head and did not notice whether or not the creature had a long tail.

Could Dale Drinnon be right about woodpeckers? If so, why did neither of the two women choose any bird from among the images? They only choose pterosaur silhouettes.

Pterosaurs Over I-5 Near Griffith Park

Right between the Los Angeles River and Griffith Park—that’s where the three “dragons” were flying on March 3, 2013, at 6:10 a.m., but another driver on the I-5 Freeway saw one “pterosaur” ten weeks later, just a little over a mile south of the first sighting location.

Can Pterosaurs Perch on Trees?

But the pterosaur expert David Peters has shown us that the Rhamphorhynchoidea type (long-tails) did indeed have opposing digits, but the curved fifth toe is used differently than the toe grasping of modern birds.

Perching Pterosaur, not Woodpecker

It could be that Drinnon was thinking about the Lakewood, California, sighting that happened last June, in 2012. The eyewitness said that the “dragon-pterodactyl” was perched on a telephone cable just a little overhead. But she also described a long tail with a “triangle” at tail end, as I recall. That would make it the type of pterosaur that had digits on the feet that could perch, for that would be a basal pterosaur.